Remote Rig
RRC 1258 Support in English => General discussion forum => Topic started by: dj0qn on 2010-11-24, 16:58:32
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Mike and the guys have done a great job enhancing the RemoteRig platform.
There is one feature that I would really like to see: being able to import the
settings file that the box now produces when you export the settings. In
addition, it would be great to be able to manage multiple profiles for settings,
in order to be able to quickly switch between different server RRC's.
Our group is in the process of deploying at least one radio side with multiple
users. This would make it possible to easily add these users. Since some of
us will use more than one installation, adding profiles would improve this even
further. If we could at least get an import function soon, it would be a great help.
73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
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Maybe a future version of the control unit could have storage for say 6 - 10 radio profiles that could be selected using scroll buttons and a small 6 - 8 character display.
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I'd like to see a new box with 4 com ports and a few extra I/O ports (2bit would be fine). And a profile set (one buttom to go to another radio type setting)
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Hey guys,
Cool ideas, but I would be happy just to be able to import the
config files at this point ;-)
73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
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Hi,
this is more or less the same I've already been requesting in April.
http://www.styrefors.se/sm2oan/remote/forum/index.php?topic=203.msg590#msg590
vy 73
Simon, DJ4MZ
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Right, Simon, but April was a long time ago. We need to remind everyone
that we need this feature.
It will also help drive more sales of their products, since users can then easily
access more than one remote system. It is therefore financially interesting to
the RemoteRig team have this feature added.
73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
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We are sorry we haven't been able to fulfil this feature request yet. We suffer like everyone from the day being no more than 24 hours and so we have to prioritize what we do and then. ;)
As you may have read elsewhere on the forum we have finally found the cause of a strange network issue some of you have experienced. This and other things have taken a great deal of our resources, but now that we feel it is fixed we will start looking into requests like this.
This feature might be implemented in (at least) two ways, or possible a combination of them.
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Having a number of internal(stored in the device) profiles(setups) which one can switch between. (How many would be enough?)
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Allowing to save and load the setup info to/from disk.
Which one do you prefer? If both, which one is more "urgent"?
Also, we think that maybe one should exclude some of the setup data from the profiles, for ex the IP address and related info, as if one accidentally changes that the device could get inaccessible. Or do you prefer the "power of freedom" to change it all ;)
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Hi Jan,
Thanks for the reply. Of course we all understand that bug fixing is a priority.
You guys are doing a great job and make a great product.
I have been giving this some thought, and this is my suggestion to make it easiest
to implement:
1) As first priority, an "import settings" menu as a counterpart to the export function
you recently implemented. This will at least allow a work around that will save a lot
of time and prevent errors.
2) As a second priority, I suggest a small Windows or (better) Java program that has
"radio buttons" that allow the user to switch between settings. This way, a virtually
unlimited number of settings files can be exported and imported from the user's hard
drive, keeping the RemoteRig box clean of additional data. This program would basically
access the import function that is requested above. Being a small, independent program,
the user does not have to bother calling-up a browser to access the settings. The user
should be able to label these buttons with which system he wishes to load. After the
reboot, he will be able to use the other remote system. The number of buttons (profiles)
is in this case is probably not relevant, but I would think at least 4-5 for heavy users,
probably more in the future as the RemoteRig installed base further expands and users wish
to trade profiles. This program would accelerate the concept of trading and therefore
drive further RemoteRig sales and installations.
If you have any further questions, just let me know.
Thanks & 73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
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Hi Jan,
also from my side:
1) First priority is "import settings" as it implements the basic functionality.
For this I'm of the oppinion that (re)storing all settings is the best choice.
2) I would be happy to get maybe three to four internal profiles, selectable
via the web interface. Personally I think that also here (re)storing all settings
is the way to go. Excluding some parameters will inevitably lead to the discussion
what parameters to exclude and be sure there will always be a user who needs
exectly these paramters to be changed in his setup.... ;)
Thanks for a great piece of hardware!
vy 73
Simon, DJ4MZ
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Hi folks,
A version with both import/export of settings as well as five internal "profiles" is not far away now :) It has been a "mind stretching" thing to implement and I hope it will not be too buggy ;)
Simon: I noticed you thanked for a good piece of "hardware", should I take that as the software is less good, hehe?
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That is great news, Jan! That will make things much easier for us to
implement multiple RemoteRig installations. I will begin in January with
eight users on one system, some of use already use other installations.
73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
P.S.: the RemoteRig software AND hardware are great!
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Hi Jan,
Simon: I noticed you thanked for a good piece of "hardware", should I take that as the software is less good, hehe?
simple answer: NO! As I only use the RRC Controllers (no PC Client) with a real Front-Panel (IC706MKIIG, no HRD) I consider this complete solution as hardware! I'm really very happy, without the RRCs I wouldn't be able to do Ham Radio from at home!
The firmware from my point of view is almost perfect even though I'm still using V2.06. Never change a running system! Only features I have on my personal wishlist are:
- Profiles
- Windows driver to access the two COM ports at the remote side without having to connect them via two serial cables on the control side
- Keyer improvement, see http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php?topic=343.0 (http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php?topic=343.0)
BTW: Is there the possibility to downgrade the firmware in both units? As the Profiles feature seems to be coming soon, this would be the first time that I would really consider updating. But in the case something unpredicted happens I would like to go back to what I have now.
vy 73
Simon, DJ4MZ
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- Windows driver to access the two COM ports at the remote side without having to connect them via two serial cables on the control side
Simon, you can buy the PC Client and get this functionality now ;-)
- Keyer improvement, see http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php?topic=343.0 (http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php?topic=343.0)
I agree, the keyer drives me crazy with the extra dit. I can't believe that this would be that hard to fix.
73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
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simple answer: NO! As I only use the RRC Controllers (no PC Client) with a real Front-Panel (IC706MKIIG, no HRD) I consider this complete solution as hardware! I'm really very happy, without the RRCs I wouldn't be able to do Ham Radio from at home!
:) You are right in thinking it as more "hard" than "soft" as one usually calls software in such devices "firmware", which sounds "harder" than software ;)
BTW: Is there the possibility to downgrade the firmware in both units? As the Profiles feature seems to be coming soon, this would be the first time that I would really consider updating. But in the case something unpredicted happens I would like to go back to what I have now.
vy 73
Simon, DJ4MZ
Downgrading is possible. You may however have to reset all settings in worst case.
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I assume you have seen this thread:
http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php?topic=525.msg1874#msg1874 (http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php?topic=525.msg1874#msg1874)
? ;)
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That is GREAT news, Jan! Thanks to you and the developers on moving so
quickly on this request.
I am waiting to board my plane for a long vacation, so testing from my side
will have till wait until January. I am sure the others will enjoy the new
profile feature. I will need this feature as soon as I return to install eight
RRC's.
I wish you and the RemoteRig team happy holidays and a successful 2011!
73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
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Hi Jan,
I assume you have seen this thread:
http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php?topic=525.msg1874#msg1874 (http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php?topic=525.msg1874#msg1874)
? ;)
yes already noticed that! Tks. I will try a.s.a.p. (hope this weekend). As I'm updating from V 2.06, are there any things I have to keep in mind besides the note in V2.09?
Configurable outputs on Radio-RRC, can be WEB-controlled, controlled by PTT etc.
Attention! If you have used the inputs or outputs for ex. CW you must reconfigure them
I'm using the PAD jack at the remote site to connect the RRC to the TRX CW input.
vy 73
Simon, DJ4MZ
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That is GREAT news, Jan! Thanks to you and the developers on moving so
quickly on this request.
I am waiting to board my plane for a long vacation, so testing from my side
will have till wait until January. I am sure the others will enjoy the new
profile feature. I will need this feature as soon as I return to install eight
RRC's.
I wish you and the RemoteRig team happy holidays and a successful 2011!
73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
I am not sure Simon, DJ4MZ agrees with you in saying we were quick as he suggested something similar long ago ;)
Me too wants a long vacation somewhere warm! The forecast says -30 - -40C coming days...
Really wish the upgrade goes smooth and that there are no nasty bugs lurking in some dark corner, hehe! (Though others might have spotted them before you get to update yourself ;) )
A Merry Christmas etc to you too!
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yes already noticed that! Tks. I will try a.s.a.p. (hope this weekend). As I'm updating from V 2.06, are there any things I have to keep in mind besides the note in V2.09?
Hmm.. v2.06 is rather old and lots of things have changed since then. The upgrade process should as usual try its best to upgrade the settings to the new format, but of course it will put more "strain" on it making a leap like that. So I really do not know if there are something special you should look out for, except for checking that the settings are ok after the upgrade, and possible take screen shots of the settings before, in case you haven't a built-in non volatile photographic memory ;)
Also after upgrading to 2.30 you can start using the export(bin) feature to make backups of the settings in case something happens in the future making it necessary to reconfigure the device.
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Hi Jan and all others,
I did it ;D Yes I upgraded my device from V2.06 to V2.30!
First of all the good news: It worked flawlessly! It looks like all settings have been correctly transfered to the new version (as far as I have seen up to now). Below there is a list with differences, pitfalls one should have in mind when upgrading from a very old, i.e. 11 month, firmware.
- After the upgrade do not only press the status link in the menu on the left, but reload the whole page! Otherwise you will not see new menu items!
- I'm using a Icom IC706MKIIG. When powering on the rig there is now a short low frequency beep, that hasn't been there so far. I don't care, because after the beep everything works as before!
- To again get the keyer working you have to set the OUT2 mode to "Keyer" in the I/O settings menu on the radio side. See change notes for V2.09!
- I had to significantly increase (from 50 to 120) the "Lf delay ms" parameter in the Keyer settins menu on the control side to get rid of "echos". Is there a reason for this? All other parameters haven't been changed!
Besides these points everything seems to work as before and I'm very happy with it, already have saved the settings :)
I will comment on the new keyer mode Iambic-A2 in the appropriate thread.
Jan, -30 to -40 is the best weather to sit in the shack, power up ALL rig you have especially all amplifiers and simply enjoy ham radio! WX here at the moment: sunny +2 deg C.
vy 73 and merry xmas!
Simon, DJ4MZ
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Hi Jan,
unfortunately I have to come back to this topic.
Yesterday after the update I just tested with CW and not with phone. Today when trying to operate on the local UHF relais I recognized that TX audio is sometimes there and sometimes not! If TX audio goes away, then sometimes also RX audio is missing. It returnes after some while and stays available until I again try to transmitt. At that point TX may work or not ??? It very seldom happens, that even though PTT is pressed the TRX switches back to RX (of course with no RX audio). Looks very much like the SIP stream has been lost.
When this happens I can see RTP timeout time in the Remote RRC going down from 60 step by step until approx. 40 (or even less), then jumping back to 60 and everything works fine again for a few seconds.
Ping round trip time is 30...35ms.
Any hints?
More than ever: NEVER change a running system!
Simon
Edit: Looks like it does not really have to do with transmitting or not. Just have been monitoring the RTP timeout value in the Remote RRC. It is normally reading 60, and TX is possible. Suddenly the value starts to decrease and from that point on no TX audio is there. At some point, mostly at values arount 40, it jumps back to 60 and TX audio again is present. After some seconds the value again is decreasing and TX audio disappears.
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The topic of this thread is "Profiles", this behaviour is something I can't see has something to do with profiles as such, at least not in a "direct" way, but I understand what you mean ;)
Can't say now what could be the cause of this, but your description of what happens should help a lot. Obviously the audio stream "stalls" for a awhile, but why is the question of the day...
And yes, if you don't want new feature etc, then upgrading isn't for you ;)
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The topic of this thread is "Profiles", this behaviour is something I can't see has something to do with profiles as such, at least not in a "direct" way, but I understand what you mean ;)
Can't say now what could be the cause of this, but your description of what happens should help a lot. Obviously the audio stream "stalls" for a awhile, but why is the question of the day...
And yes, if you don't want new feature etc, then upgrading isn't for you ;)
You are right! I opened a new topic to follow this "problem".
http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php?topic=532.0 (http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php?topic=532.0)
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I arrived home in Munich this past weekend, and have been trying out the new
profiles feature with the two sites I currently am using.
It appears to work very well and I have had no problems at all. Just what was
needed! Thanks again!
73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX