Remote Rig

RRC 1258 Support in English => Configuration, RRC 1258 => Topic started by: WW3S on 2018-03-31, 19:09:05

Title: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: WW3S on 2018-03-31, 19:09:05
trying to configure two remote rigs to control two IC-7100 at our 911 center...downloaded and installed the setup software, configured the first pair to use 10.10.10.8 and 10.10.10.18....that went very well....now the the step says to try to connect to them from a web browser, by using the IP address....when I type 10.10.10.8 in the google chrome, it comes back as not being connected to the internet....which it isnt, I know that, its just on its own internal network....so....assuming I set these up correctly using the setup software, what should the next step be to see if its working?
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: dj0qn on 2018-03-31, 19:13:41
Did you change the port number on the RRC's web page? If you did, you need to append the URL with
a colon followed by the port number, i.e. 10.10.10.8:1234.

Otherwise, use the Microbit Setup Manager to search for the RRC's on the network. If they are there, then
it will find them. You can then click on the "browse" button to get on the web page.

Make sure that your two sets of RRC's use different port numbers, otherwise it won't work once installed.

If you want my networking checklist that walks you through the installation process, drop me a short mail
at dj0qn (at) darc.de and I will send it to you.

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: WW3S on 2018-03-31, 19:59:08
Did you change the port number on the RRC's web page? If you did, you need to append the URL with
a colon followed by the port number, i.e. 10.10.10.8:1234.

Otherwise, use the Microbit Setup Manager to search for the RRC's on the network. If they are there, then
it will find them. You can then click on the "browse" button to get on the web page.

Make sure that your two sets of RRC's use different port numbers, otherwise it won't work once installed.

If you want my networking checklist that walks you through the installation process, drop me a short mail
at dj0qn (at) darc.de and I will send it to you.

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX

so even though they will have different IP addresses ( I was going to use 10.10.10.7 and 17 for one, and 8/18 for the other) they still need different port addresses ?
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: dj0qn on 2018-03-31, 20:02:32
Correct, unless you will be using a VPN or are inside of the same network and will never use both
at the same time.

Even so, I would recommend making them different to be on the safe side in the future.

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: WW3S on 2018-03-31, 20:19:06
Thanks Mitch, we are inside our own private network, but I can change them just to be safe....any recommended values ?
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: dj0qn on 2018-03-31, 20:36:03
Change to any number that is not already being used in that network. For example, just increment them
from the first set, e.g. 13003-5.

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: WW3S on 2018-04-04, 19:33:39
so took one step forward, another step back.....we can ping the units using their assigned ip addresses, but cannot connect to them via the web interface to program them....must have missed a step somewhere?
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: dj0qn on 2018-04-04, 19:35:08
Did you put the port number in the URL as described above?

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: WW3S on 2018-04-04, 19:41:56
yes....10.10.10.7:80
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: WW3S on 2018-04-04, 19:46:23
not sure what to put in for the gateway and DSN server though, since we are not using any....
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: dj0qn on 2018-04-04, 20:00:58
Actually, 80 is the default and you don't need to use a suffix. Are you sure that you did not change it to
another port number?

I suggest that you start the Microbit Setup Manager. Then go to the net info/find tab and find the RRC. Then
use the browse button to call it up. At least that way you can't make a mistake.

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: WW3S on 2018-04-04, 20:16:24
yep, we did that, we can find them all using that method now.....but there is no way to program them from the setup manager is there?
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: dj0qn on 2018-04-04, 21:03:51
Only to switch to DHCP and back.

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: WW3S on 2018-04-04, 22:30:00
so, is there a setting wrong somewhere that is preventing us from accessing it via a web interface? We tried both IE and Chrome, neither worked....but then again, we have no internet access, only intranet....
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: dj0qn on 2018-04-04, 23:22:34
What do you have as your IP settings?

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: WW3S on 2018-04-05, 00:38:12
one pair is setup for 10.10.10.7 and 17 and one pair 10.10.10.8 and 18, the PC we are using is 10.10.10.6....we can ping all 4 units, and see all 4 units using the setup manager find from the PC....
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: dj0qn on 2018-04-05, 00:44:59
I didn't mean the IP address, I meant the IP settings, including gateway and DNS.

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: WW3S on 2018-04-05, 00:58:04
do you mean in the RR units? I think it was 192.168.0.1 for both of them, and if I recall the subnet was 255.255.255.0....heres where it gets fuzzy, because the PC we are using doesnt have a internet connection....how do we configure the PC to use a web browser, without a true internet connection?
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: dj0qn on 2018-04-05, 01:08:31
That is not correct, because you told me in the last post that you are using fixed 10.10.10.X addresses.

You change them using the Microbit Setup Manager on the "setup" tab, "get from device" button.

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: WW3S on 2018-04-05, 01:29:27
yes, we are using fixed addresses.....i programmed the addresses in using the setup manager....trying to remember, if I recall , I couldnt leave the gateway and DNS blank on that screen, so I made them 192.168.0.1...if thats not correct, what should be in there?
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: dj0qn on 2018-04-05, 01:37:54
That is waaaayyyy incorrect. They should be the address of the router in your subnet, which is probably
10.10.10.1.

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: WW3S on 2018-04-05, 01:53:41
so when I get back to the EMA/911 center, I'll try that....but I'm not certain we have a router, this is just a private fiber network strictly for us, between the center, and the tower shelter about 100 ft away....like I said, we can ping all 4 units, and find them using the microbit software.....going from memory, as I dont have the units here at home, but I believe there were 4 lines to configure

IP
Subnet
Gateway
DNS server(?)

so I should set

10.10.10.xxx
255.255.255.0
10.10.10.1

and what about the last line?

Wonder if it would help if we set these up on a 198 type network first, to program them via the web interface, and then after programming, go in and change the IP address back to a 10.10.10....would the other programmed parameters stay the same?
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: dj0qn on 2018-04-05, 02:01:17
If you don't have a router, then why did you bother to change them to the other type of subnet? You could
have just left everything as it was before and only changed the last part of the IP number for the second units.
Seems like you have made a lot more work for yourself and messed things up in the process.

You can't mix two subnets, either all 10.10.10.X or 192.168.XX.XX. Like I wrote before, the last line should also be
the same as the one before (DNS and gateway are usually the same when using a router).

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: dj0qn on 2018-04-05, 02:04:03
P.S. I just remembered that the subnet mask of a class A network (i.e. 10.X.X.X.) should
be 255.0.0.0 and not 255.255.255.0. This is what I meant by making things way too
complicated for no reason.

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: WW3S on 2018-04-05, 02:16:10
thanks MItch, will try it in a few days when we can make it back to the center.....what should the web server port be, or does it matter?
Title: Re: remote rig on 10.10.10 network
Post by: dj0qn on 2018-04-05, 02:44:31
Since you won't access them from outside of the network, no change is necessary from port 80 and you can
just use their IP numbers as the URL without a suffix.

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX