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Webswitch 1216H Support in English => Configuration, Webswitch 1216H => Topic started by: oh5bq on 2012-09-11, 22:26:16

Title: Rotator control 1216L calibration
Post by: oh5bq on 2012-09-11, 22:26:16
I have Yeasu G-800S rotator with 1216H Webswitch and 1216L Rotator control (analogue). How can I make calibration to whole scale 450 grads?
(my full CCW position is 120 grads and full CW is 210 grads)
Title: Re: Rotator control 1216L calibration
Post by: Jan (Microbit) on 2012-09-12, 09:06:36
The way it is designed 360 degrees is the highest usable value, at least when it comes to the user interface. I guess it would be possible to use it with a 450 degrees analogue rotator by setting up 0=0 and 360=450 degrees, but then the user interface would not show the correct degrees.
Title: Re: Rotator control 1216L calibration
Post by: oh5bq on 2012-09-12, 10:15:39
Ok.
Now the interface needle stops after overriding and it is not good. I hope you put this feature in wishlist of 1216H/L development.
73 Pauli
Title: Re: Rotator control 1216L calibration
Post by: Jan (Microbit) on 2012-09-12, 10:35:18
I will add it to the feature request list, though I can not promise it will be added.
Title: Re: Rotator control 1216L calibration
Post by: vaidis on 2015-03-24, 22:14:58
Hello,
can't find any information about RCU1216L-5 improvements ( http://www.webswitch.se/wp/?page_id=491 ). Is it bigger resolution, how about A/D reading error. Older version has selectable 10bits rezolution, new version has fixed 10bits rezolution. Where is the difference ?

Vaidas


Title: Re: Rotator control 1216L calibration
Post by: Jan (Microbit) on 2015-03-25, 11:13:16
The main difference is that the -5 version has 10 bits A/D accuracy. The older versions had a maximum accuracy of  8 bits(even though it was possible to select a higher resolution, but that might cause the conversion results to include random noise.)

The -5 version uses this CPU:

http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/41365E.pdf (http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/41365E.pdf)

Title: Re: Rotator control 1216L calibration
Post by: vaidis on 2015-03-25, 20:25:14
Hello,
one more question. Does this controller has A/D reading error like older versions ? Does it stable reading ? Is it possible to tune parabolic antenna, is it really 10bits 360/1024=0.35 degrees precision ?   I have 1216L-3 series, is it really 5 series  controller better ? If I buy this controller and the result will be the same ( big reading A/D error ), is it possible return ?  (Maybe possible exchange with my 1216L-3 series RCU, because it is not usable unit, only spent money ? )

Vaidas
Title: Re: Rotator control 1216L calibration
Post by: vaidis on 2015-03-25, 20:40:29
 Microchip:  10-bit resolution, 12 channels ( like GPS receiver :) )
Why not 16-bit, 1 channel ??? More resolution, less reading error. Maybe it is possible to use digital encoder ??? Why so simple things performed so hard ???

Vaidas
Title: Re: Rotator control 1216L calibration
Post by: sm2o on 2015-03-26, 09:39:06
The 1216L is primaray designed for rotating HF antennas where a resolution of 1 degree is more than enough. The equipment around like analog rotor controllers, potentiometers with long cabels etc. introduce so many errors so higher resolution A/D is waste of money.

73 de mike

 
Title: Re: Rotator control 1216L calibration
Post by: vaidis on 2015-03-26, 10:26:04
Hello,
one more question. Does this controller has A/D reading error like older versions ? Does it stable reading ? Is it possible to tune parabolic antenna, is it really 10bits 360/1024=0.35 degrees precision ?   I have 1216L-3 series, is it really 5 series  controller better ? If I buy this controller and the result will be the same ( big reading A/D error ), is it possible return ?  (Maybe possible exchange with my 1216L-3 series RCU ) ?
Vaidas
Title: Re: Rotator control 1216L calibration
Post by: vaidis on 2015-04-02, 22:13:40
Is it mean, that newer version of RCU 1216L-5 with real 10bits A/D converter has the same rotation error of few degrees ??? Buying of new version RCU 1216L-5 is "waste of money" ? Because older version 1216L-3 is real waste of money. I asking you 10sec. video about how works this new unit ( you can post it on youtube, show difference between the old and new system ). What is the A/D reading error: ±1 or ±2 or more ???  Because I need a rotator controller, please answer to that questions, I can buy your RCU or must looking for another controller ?

Vaidas

>The 1216L is primaray designed for rotating HF antennas where a resolution of 1 degree is more than enough. The >equipment around like analog rotor controllers, potentiometers with long cabels etc. introduce so many errors so higher >resolution A/D is waste of money.
Title: Re: Rotator control 1216L calibration
Post by: sm2o on 2015-04-02, 22:53:48
My first film published on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg-bG8UhdTY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg-bG8UhdTY)

I don't know how it will help you

this is the rotator to my 36 m tower with 9 yagis pointing to C21EU

http://qrz.com/db/sm2oan (http://qrz.com/db/sm2oan)

the -3 has the same stability if the capacitor mod is done and you use the full 15V span

the -5 version is better if the input voltage is lower as the input range is selectable and the resolution of the A/D is better

73 de mike

Title: Re: Rotator control 1216L calibration
Post by: vaidis on 2015-04-03, 13:45:23
Hello,
in this page we can see how changes ( or stable ) "Last A/D: " reading. Please, 10 sec. video: 2 sec. rotating and how changes A/D reading, and 8 sec. is it stable reading. If all OK., I buy this unit !!! I want to see working, not freezing PC monitor ( sorry, but it is important for me, because I have another one RCU unit ).

http://www.remoterig.com/picturepaster/db94f53788f24bebbfd94bcec3ef6325.jpg

Vaidas



Title: Re: Rotator control 1216L calibration
Post by: sm2o on 2015-04-03, 13:58:05
As long as the  live update LED is green the page is updated with A/D readings

the direct read A/D valeu is 616 all the time, no variation if it's calm, if it's windy it will vary a bit because the tower moves

About 1000 kg tower and antenna will not stop direct it will shake a while before it's stable.

If the product do not match your needs, please buy something better.

/mike
Title: Re: Rotator control 1216L calibration
Post by: vaidis on 2015-04-20, 14:07:23
Received 1216L-5 RCU unit, tested and got the same result as an old unit. A/D reading changes from 734 to 739, voltmeter show stable reading. It's too big error for me. Have video ( not posted on youtube ). Will be returned back.

Vaidas
Title: Re: Rotator control 1216L calibration
Post by: Jan (Microbit) on 2015-04-20, 14:51:42
Received 1216L-5 RCU unit, tested and got the same result as an old unit. A/D reading changes from 734 to 739, voltmeter show stable reading. It's too big error for me. Have video ( not posted on youtube ). Will be returned back.

Vaidas
What is the visible effect of an raw A/D value fluctuation of 5 units? Does the degree value change too?

If you are using a input level that is 0-5.1V then 5 raw A/D units means 25 mV(0.025V), which isn't that much. But if it's not acceptable then we are not able to offer you something better for the time being.
Title: Re: Rotator control 1216L calibration
Post by: vaidis on 2015-04-21, 15:18:56
I don't know how many changes or changes degree value, because I did'n viewed it. And it depends by software. I calculated, not exactly, but: 800/360=2.22  One degree have 2.22 A/D units, so my error is about  5 A/D units or 2.25 degrees. It's too big error for me, because I planning mount 1.8m parabolic dish on the 60m tower. Maybe you can configure your RCU unit to accept digital encoder code ?

Vaidas