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RRC 1258 Support in English => Configuration, RRC 1258 => Topic started by: xplane on 2012-06-17, 15:53:25

Title: modulation problem regarding low audio-frequencies
Post by: xplane on 2012-06-17, 15:53:25
In the combination of Alinco DX-SR8 with RRC 1258 I found that the modulation prefers only the higher audio-frequencies, low audio-frequencies are missing totally!?  So I have been reported in many QSOs.  :o

I have tested this with different band-frequencies and with different modulation-modes. Even through several changes in the RRC-configuration no improvement could be achieved.   :(

Any suggestions?
Any help is appreciated!

73, Dirk
Title: Re: modulation problem regarding low audio-frequencies
Post by: xplane on 2012-06-20, 14:14:47
... Even through several changes in the RRC-configuration no improvement could be achieved. ...

Additional Information:
Beside some other changes of the standard configuration -- I have tried the value 82 in parameter "Codec inp HPF Hz" (Default is 163).
Title: Re: modulation problem regarding low audio-frequencies
Post by: sm2o on 2012-06-20, 14:57:09
The audio transfer trough the Remoterig system is extremly flat so the problem is not in the audio transfer.
I have never heard about any problem with the DX-SR8 audio before but I will configure up a system here and check if we get the same feeling.

73 de mike
Title: Re: modulation problem regarding low audio-frequencies
Post by: xplane on 2012-06-20, 15:24:12
The audio transfer trough the Remoterig system is extremly flat so the problem is not in the audio transfer. ...

Hmmm... That wording suggests, that the bandwidth of the voice transmission via RemoteRig is actually very narrow?
Title: Re: modulation problem regarding low audio-frequencies
Post by: sm2o on 2012-06-20, 15:46:57
flat = flat frequency response, the audio level trough the system is constant independent of the frequency within the useful frequency range for speech.

/mike
Title: Re: modulation problem regarding low audio-frequencies
Post by: xplane on 2012-06-23, 02:49:24
... I will configure up a system here and check if we get the same feeling.
73 de mike
Hello Mike,

are there any new insights?

73,
Dirk
Title: Re: modulation problem regarding low audio-frequencies
Post by: sm2o on 2012-06-27, 13:54:40
I have tested the modulation today, and you have right the low frequencys are missing. There is a capacitor C7 in the Alinco Control panel which forms a high pass filter in combination with Remoterig. I soldered a 1uF capacitor in parallell with C7 and then the modulation sounds normal. It's done in 5 minutes just take away the back of the frontpanel and find IC2. C7 is connected to pin 1. Then solder a capacitor in parallell like on my photo. Service manuals can be downloaded from the Alinco website but I don't think you need it.

73 de mike
Title: Re: modulation problem regarding low audio-frequencies
Post by: xplane on 2012-06-27, 15:01:09
Hello Mike,

thank you very much for your investigation!   :)
Again very good service!

Do I need a special soldering iron? Or can I do it with a standard electronic soldering iron?   :o

Does this modification work regardless of the connected microphone?

73,
Dirk
Title: Re: modulation problem regarding low audio-frequencies
Post by: sm2o on 2012-06-27, 15:06:43
Yes you can do it with a standard solder iron if the tip is not to big. And the capacitor is after the Mic amplifier so it works independent of microphone

73 de mike
Title: Re: modulation problem regarding low audio-frequencies
Post by: xplane on 2012-06-30, 03:51:18
@sm2o:
Unfortunately forum guests cannot see your photo of the necessary modification.
Are any attachments only visible for registered users?
Title: Re: modulation problem regarding low audio-frequencies
Post by: xplane on 2012-06-30, 04:06:59
Here follow some pictures of my implementation.
73, Dirk

( Sorry, but the attached pictures are visible only for registered users  :( )
Title: Re: modulation problem regarding low audio-frequencies
Post by: xplane on 2012-06-30, 20:54:46
Hello Mike,

would a 10uf capacitor increase the positive effect of this modification?

73,
Dirk
Title: Re: modulation problem regarding low audio-frequencies
Post by: sm2o on 2012-07-01, 20:29:17
I don't think 10u make any difference, I think 1u is big enough

/mike
Title: Re: modulation problem regarding low audio-frequencies
Post by: xplane on 2012-07-02, 03:21:32
I was told, that the modulation now sounds better, but still is not optimal.

73, Dirk
Title: Re: modulation problem regarding low audio-frequencies
Post by: xplane on 2012-07-17, 20:45:14
I would like to try it with a 10uf electrolytic capacitor.
Is that possible in principle and in what direction (related to the polarity ...) should I connect the capacitor with the circuit?
Title: Re: modulation problem regarding low audio-frequencies
Post by: sm2o on 2012-07-29, 21:07:41
Hi

There is 10uF unpolarized capacitors available but if you don't have one use a volt meter and measure the voltage over the capacitor you have there, and put the new capacitor with the positive + connection to the pin which the voltmeter showed had the higher voltage.

73 de mike

Title: Re: modulation problem regarding low audio-frequencies
Post by: Devi pilot on 2017-07-09, 12:12:50
Hello, friends! Recently I became a happy owner of a DX-SR8 transceiver, but not for long I enjoyed it. I will not write much, briefly: the transistor in PA, Q802, failed. Did not help his replacement. 3 transistors failed. Then I bought a new PA bord, but again the same transistor Q 802 failed. I do not know what to do next ... ......  :(
Maybe someone knows something on this issue. Thank you!

  Sorry for my English.
Title: Re: modulation problem regarding low audio-frequencies
Post by: xplane on 2017-07-09, 14:02:32
So I can only recommend to take a little more money and buy something reasonable.
I sold my Alinco DX-SR8 in those days and bought a Kenwood TS480 instead.
Everything works fine and even the remote operation with good modulation.
I have never regretted the additional investment.
Title: Re: modulation problem regarding low audio-frequencies
Post by: Devi pilot on 2017-07-09, 15:03:40
I understood. Thank you!    :) I think you are right!