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RRC 1258 Support in English => Configuration, RRC 1258 => Topic started by: EA5WA on 2020-10-01, 20:07:00

Title: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: EA5WA on 2020-10-01, 20:07:00
I'm trying to help a friend with a new remoterig installation. Everything is fine, except rotator control.

Prosistel PST641D comes with a mini USB conection por control. Connected with a serial-usb converter to COM-1 on remote side doesn't work.

COM1 on both sides are configured as Mode 3.

Is there anyobdy here using that rotator with remoterig?

We need some help

73's from EA5WA Juan Carlos
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: dj0qn on 2020-10-01, 20:37:24
Hi Juan Carlos,

A USB converter will never work. You can only connect a real serial cable to an RRC.

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: EA5WA on 2020-10-01, 20:40:38
Thanks Mitch:

Problem here is that Prosistel Control comes with USB interface.

I'm looking for how to have RS-232 port on prosistel control and don't find anything....

73's
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: dj0qn on 2020-10-01, 20:44:51
Sorry, Juan Carlos, but I guess you need to change the controller. I used to have the Prosistel
controller with RS-232 and it worked great.

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: EA5WA on 2020-10-01, 20:49:55
Could you explain me how was it connected? Using COM1? Using a null modem cable on radio side?

Thanks Mitch

73's EA5WA Juan Carlos
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: dj0qn on 2020-10-01, 20:53:29
I could have used RRC COM1, but I used a Webswitch and also Lantronix serial server. Both use
straight serial cables.

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: EA5WA on 2020-10-01, 20:54:47
Many Thanks Mitch
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: sm2o on 2020-10-01, 21:57:23
Hi

it's quite easy to convert a USB Prosistel to RS232. 15 minutes of work

1. Replace the USB connector which eg is a USB to TTL converter with a 9 pin female D-sub- same pinning

2. Put a MAX232 in the empty socket on the main PCB

2. Remove the main PCB and cut the two jumpers  under the socket you put the MAX-232 in

73 de mike
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: EA5WA on 2020-10-01, 22:21:32
Many thanks Mike:

I'll try to do it

73's EA5WA Juan Carlos
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: ea5zj on 2020-10-02, 08:19:26
Helo Mike.

I am the friend that EA5WA is helping.
I have the rotor open command, and I suppose it must be the integrated or socket that you comment. Upload photo. It is accessible, yes. It is easy to place max 232, but I can't find in google bridges that I should cut on the board. Would you provide this information please? I use google translator and it is never perfect.

To change usb in the remote, I understand I need that or similar?

https://www.amazon.com/-/es/MAX232-RS232-Conversor-adaptador-Junta-M%C3%B3dulo/dp/B011NOHC4S/ref=sr_1_3?__mk_es_US=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=rs232+max232&qid=1601619719&sr=8-3
is ok?


https://www.amazon.com/-/es/FlashTree-Breakout-Converter-Transistor-Compatibilidad/dp/B07TYX3V4J/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_US=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=ttl+db9&qid=1601619274&sr=8-1

Or maybe I just need chassis connector? easy.


It seems strange to me the part that comes from origin, or manufactures, that indicates rs232 to usb converter, so we thought that we only had to change the connector and easy. But no.
And photo.

Thanks in advance for your great help.

Jorgs EA5ZJ




Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: sm2o on 2020-10-02, 08:30:14
Hi

you only need a connector like this

https://www.mouser.se/ProductDetail/CONEC/164A16569X?qs=1A3x81zjaSym3KfjHmcMRA%3D%3D (https://www.mouser.se/ProductDetail/CONEC/164A16569X?qs=1A3x81zjaSym3KfjHmcMRA%3D%3D)

and the MAX232

https://www.mouser.se/ProductDetail/Maxim-Integrated/MAX232CPE%2b?qs=1THa7WoU59H6WLBcdj%252BTOQ%3D%3D (https://www.mouser.se/ProductDetail/Maxim-Integrated/MAX232CPE%2b?qs=1THa7WoU59H6WLBcdj%252BTOQ%3D%3D)

the wires which need to be cut is on the back of the PCB under the empty socket

I will try to get a picture from an other ham i helped

73 de mike
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: ea5zj on 2020-10-02, 08:46:03
This is the photo that I can get with a flashlight on the part of the screen.

Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: sm2o on 2020-10-02, 08:50:15
yes it's the two wires which is solder beween the pins of the socket which need to be cut

if you can take a new picture with correct colors it would be good to have to instruct others

73 de mike
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: ea5zj on 2020-10-02, 09:19:20
Off course,  but no colour.

Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: ea5zj on 2020-10-02, 09:19:50
Another.
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: EA5WA on 2020-10-02, 16:07:42
In orden to avoid pcb removal, I think we can use this TTL to RS232 converter with max232 included

Could we?

Many thanks Mike

73 EA5WA Juan Carlos
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: sm2o on 2020-10-02, 18:56:36
Yes it should work also

73 de mike
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: ea5zj on 2020-10-02, 20:26:42
We need to bring or feed 3.3v to the converter.      Have a 5v in pin 6.
Monday, we receive material.
I hope this post, help more people
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: ea5zj on 2020-10-05, 20:31:43
We have tried both. Neither works. Neither install max, nor complete part.
Hopeless. Sorry. Are there any other ideas? For mini usb we can not enter the RRC?
no work. No is ok.
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: EA5WA on 2020-10-05, 20:58:34
After trying with the TTL to RS-232 converter, nothing works....No way. We have try even directly to the computer, without success....

After that, we have made the modification on the PCB, and after switching on, the newly installed MAX232 got really really hot.....

At the moment, rotator only works using the mini usb conector on the Rotator Control.

We are wondering if we can convert the COM1 RS-232 to USB and then use the cable that is working now....

We need sone help

73's  EA5WA Juan Carlos
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: sm2o on 2020-10-05, 21:15:20
Hi

if you do like I said from beginging it works, I have also seen instructions from Prosistel saying the same.

You can never convert a serial port to USB, all converters are USB to serial.

73 de mike
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: EA5WA on 2020-10-05, 21:46:15
Hi Mike:

Could we have these instructions from Prosistel?

Thanks for your explanation and  help

73's EA5WA Juan Carlos
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: sm2o on 2020-10-05, 22:31:40
Not from me, ask them

/mike
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: ea5zj on 2020-10-06, 10:17:05
Notification Prosistel.  Adjunto at post.  Is a pdf reader.


We have worked with the prosistel Todo works manual, ts-2000 and rotor via RRC.
We had to change 2 and 3 on the remote, that is, null cable. I hope this post is helpful to potential visitors.
Many thanks to those who helped us. Very thankful. EA5ZJ Jordi.
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: sm2o on 2020-10-06, 18:56:41
Perfect that they have made instructions, I had not seen that before. I just saw an email that another customer got with part of the info

I will put a link on the Remoterig site to the instructions

73 de mike
Title: Re: Prosistel PST641 D mini usb port doesn't work
Post by: ea5zj on 2020-10-06, 20:23:18
Thanks!!!!!!!
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