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Not sure from your postings, but are both of you using the RRC winkey emulator?
I have software settings I can send you once I'm sure of your what you are using.
Dennis W1UE

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John
Your impatience is showing through, as is your frustration.  Let's stop for a moment and analyze the problem.  It may also be useful to take this off the forum and communicate direct. 

Facts:
You have a K3/0 Mini.  Some questions:
1. Do you connect the paddle to the Mini, or to the RRC Control Box?
2. You are using the attached USB cable and the Microbit ports for radio control and Winkey.
3. What version of the K3/0 mini firmware are you using?  To see what is in your mini, you have to disconnect the Internet line to the RRC box, turn the Mini on, then enter the Config menu.  If you leave the Internet line connected, you will see the Firmware version of the Remote K3 unless RHR has disabled it.
4. If you aren't using Firmware 5.38, you should update.  There were several fixes related to ERR KEY in Firmware 5.38.

My view now is that this problem is not directly related to RHR or Remote Rig units, but has to do with your equipment, either the Firmware or the station setup.  Something is causing the ERR KEY message.  ERR KEY is telling us that the keying line is being grounded by something; if it was an RHR problem they would be having LOTS of complaints.  Since you seem to be the only one with the problem, my conclusion is that it must be local to your setup.  What is wrong, though, is escaping us.

Dennis W1UE

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If you read the setup manual on the Remote Rig Setup you can see what parameters are adjustable on the Control and Remote RRCs, what range they can be set to, and in most cases the default that usually works okay.  I would not be surprised at all if RHR does not allow its users access to their Remote RRCs, and it would also not surprise me if if RHR had a "recommended" group of settings for your Control RRC instead of the defaults as stated in the manual.  Still, to get a feel for what parameters you can change on your Control RRC setting the best thing to do is to read the manual.  It is readily available for download on the RR website.

Dennis W1UE

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John

I'm going to go back to the first sentence you wrote in this thread: "I am a member of RHR".  In addition, RHR has told you how you need to send CW using N1MM+, and that did not include using the RRC Winkey Emulator.  Granted, this was before the improvements in the RRC Winkey Emulator, but RHR has apparently never revisted the issue.  I've used their setup and I can vouch that it works quite well and smoothly, but I'm not a member and have no access to test out the RRC Winkey usage with it.  It is also a "Winkey Emulator"; there are many versions of Winkey Emulators out there, and many of them don't support the variable setting that N1MM+ has on its Winkey page.  The Winkey Emulator was designed as an addition, or a bonus, to the package; most were never designed to be a full fledged Winkey.  That's neither good nor bad, it just is.

Your issue seems to be a timing issue- something somewhere in the chain between your computer, the Control RRC, Internet line, Remote RRC, and Remote Radio is disrupting the timing of the signal going to/coming back from the Remote RRC, resulting in ERR KEY or ERR PTT. 

My system is not the same as yours, as I have full control over the settings in both the Control and Remote RRCs (I believe that RHR locks the user out of the Remote RRC, and I can understand why).  I use a space at the end of all my N1mM+ messages, not because my unit needs it to work correctly but because it makes chaining messages go much smoother.  My setup works perfectly with NO spaces at the ends.

Bottom line, to make this work, and to make it work smoothly, RHR will most likely have to make changes in their system.   Until that happens, the best you can do is to use your workaround and live with the errors.  If you haven't contacted RHR lately, you may want to make another effort in getting them to look at the usage of the RRC Winkey. 

Dennis W1UE

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I use a LF of 0, and a KeyDel of 50.
I normally wouldn't have a problem with spaces at the end of N1MM+ key commands.  Every Fkey message
I use has a space at the end of it so that they can be "chained" without running together.

Dennis W1UE

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It functions just like a winkey.  The connection to key the transmitter is done inside the RR Box. 
I never thought about your question, because its always worked on my unit.
If it makes a difference, I do have Com 1 rts/dtr set to "yes"but I don't think that is how the keying is done.
It works, so I haven't changed it.

Dennis W1UE

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In N1mM+, on the Configure-Winkey tab, the Pin 5 function is PTT. 
Lead Time, Tail TIme, First Character, Keying Compensation are all 0.  Hang time is 1.33.

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In the N1MM+ radio setup, I use 38400-8-n-1, Always Off, Always Off, Nothing checked, Normal Polling rate, no foot switch.

In the N1MM+ Winkey setup, I use Always On, Always Off, PTT Delay 30, Allow ext Interruprs not checked, Winkey checked, two radio protocol none and footswitch none.

I get a radio timeout maybe once an hour.  I have yet to see a Winkey error message.

Dennis W1UE

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These settings are for Control RRC only.
Com0-same
Com1- same, except "Use USB Comport as Com1" is "Yes" and baud rate is 38400
Com 2- same
Com 3- Mode 8- Winkey

If you have a serial cable connecting the computer to the Control RRC that was being used for radio control, remove it.
Make sure the USB cable is connected between the computer and the Control RRC.
Go into Control Panel and find the Comports that Windows has assigned to the Microbit Com 1 and Com 3.
Go into N1MM+.
Whatever methods you are now using for radio control and cw keying in N1MM+, turn them off.
Assign the Com 1 port to radio control, matching baud rate.
Assign the Com 3 port to the Winkey.

N1MM+ messages should now use the RRC Winkey Emulator.  N1MM+ should now be using the USB cable for radio control.
I plug my paddle into the Control RRC Paddle jack to hand send CW when I need it.

Dennis W1UE

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Right now, there are issues on both the WinTest and N1MM+ reflectors concerning Win10, radio control, and virtual com ports.  I know one of the Microbit software guys is actively working on the WinTest issue; it will be interesting to see what they come up with.

Several years ago, I don't believe the Winkey emulator in Remote Rig was working correctly. You have to get version 2.87 before everything seemed to be working correctly, and that has a date of last year sometime.  I have had zero problems with getting the Winkey emulator to work here, and only an occasional problem with the Microbit USB connection to the radio stopping, and I am a rabid contester that has used the combination for some 150+ rate hours, and frequent 100+ rate hours.  So, if the RHR experience is from several years ago, I'd suggest revisiting it.  It only requires changing one item in the Control RRC, and the proper setup in the logging program.

I'll also admit, I chose to stick with Win7 and am glad I did.  There still seem to be many issues with Win10 and ham software that I don't wish to spend on time.

Dennis W1UE

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I have used what I think is the same setup, but not with RHR.  I've used the RR Control Box internal Winkey emulator for the past year on 4 or 5 different remote units (all with my control unit) and have not seen that problem.  I don't know enough about the differences between the RHR system and a regular RR setup to comment on how best to setup your unit, but it seems that RHR should be knowledgeable about what you would need to do.  Have you asked them for their recommendation?

All I can say here is that a similar setup works without that problem.

Dennis W1UE

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Mark

Have you tried using the USB cable and one of the Comports created by that cable to use for radio control?  I was leaving the USB cable connected all the time, as I do RTTY using RR, so I was leaving it connected all the time.  I configured whatever Comport was Microbit Com1 for radio control, and eliminated the serial cable.

Dennis W1UE

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Frank- you want to contact the K3 at the remote site with the K3 Utility running on a computer at the Control Site?  If I got that right, I don't think the program is designed to do that.  Dennis W1UE

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I have had problems with the Microbit USB drivers and the VSP USB drivers in the past on some computer systems.  It might not fix the problem, but I'd definitely try removing VSP, reboot, then try it again.  GL!  UE

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